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March 26, 2010

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Jerome

"Blacks’ dependence on Democrats and big government is the new slavery. It’s an abomination."

What is the Republican solution for this? Common man, what is it?

BlackinMiami

Jerome,

They do not have a solution, only lies and self righteous opinion. Typical of Republicans and the neo cons.

Since "Blacks’ dependence on Democrats and big government is the new slavery. It’s an abomination."

Why not point to the alternative that Republicans have put forward, the winning alternative, the successful track record of Republicans strategy that have somehow moved Blacks away from their dependence on Democrats and big Govt. How much power and opportunity did Republicans have to chine and move the country in this direction away from bg Govt and Democrats?
The largest expansion of government have come under Republicans with nothing to show for it. At least Liberal programs are still around and still benefiting those same thugs who fough vehemently against them under FDR and LBJ.

We spent billions on a made up war with thousands of innocent lives and the promise of Iraqi oil revenue. How is that going?

Diane

BiM the war has never been about oil. If it was there would have never been a pull out plan in place (before bo took office).

If it is about oil where is the plans to permanently occupy Iraq?

The plan has always been to turn the county back over to Iraq. How does that get us cheaper oil?

If it was about oil we would have plans in place to permanently occupy Iraq, we would not have secured the oil fields and then turned them over to the Iraqis. The fact that our oil price are high and there has been no Iraq oil coming to the the U.S. since the war should tell you something.

You know if we wanted cheap oil we could just go do a little drilling in Alaska, oh that's right the lib's in this country have prevented that, making us dependent on foreign oil.

When we go to war to protect our boarders (after an unprovoked attack), the lib's protest saying we are after some other country's oil, when we have plenty at home. Poor little lib's just cannot make them happy.

BIM PLEASE show me where we have taken over any of Iraq's oil fields!!!!!!!

BIM have you noticed that since we have been in Iraq that Iraq has help free elections, that they have built schools for girls (girls were not allowed to go to school before the U. S. got there). Have you seen that the people of Iraq feel safer and have the freedom to run business with out fear?

Oh, that's right all those things do not work well with a socialist agenda, which you lib's seem to love. So you would be ignorant of all those things and deliberately choose to believe the lie about oil.

Please BIM show me where we have been attacked on U.S. soil since 911 (the real reason we are in Iraq and Afghanistan).

James T.


Jerome, the Republican solution is to elect conservatives, cut taxes and kill all entitlement programs for anyone under the age of 65.

Also give further tax cuts to married couples with children.

How's that for a start?

But you still ask a loaded question. Jerome, why do Blacks vote for the party of their persecution. Even if Blacks are misguided in their hatred for Repubicans, why would they ever vote Democrat?


BlackinMiami

"Jerome, the Republican solution is to elect conservatives, cut taxesJerome, the Republican solution is to elect conservatives, cut taxes and kill all entitlement programs for anyone under the age of 65."

Cut taxes for whom, the top 5 % of income earners? And weren't they agaisnt entitlement programs for people over 65 when the Libs were hell bent on getting them through Congress. Medicare, social Security?

And if those were workable alternatives why haven't they been sucessfully implemented under Republican rule in the las 50 years or so?

I don't think Jerome was asking for election year talking points from the Right.

BlackinMiami

Diane,

All that talking for nothing.

Go back and read my post. No where did I mention that the war was for cheap oil.

I said we were told that the Iraq war would pay for it self with Iraq oil revenues. Where is that oil revenue that our tax payers sacrificed to 'liberate' another Sovereign nation?

Now please tell where Iraq had attacked, or planned to attack the US. Please seperate the 2 wars when you speak. Another Republican strategy in order to avoid owning up to the truth that Iraq posed no threat to us and the invasion was illigitimate, unwarranted, and unprovoked.

James T.

Bim,

I don't know if you got the memo but half of this country doesn't pay federal taxes.

HALF!

Cutting taxes means tax payers get their taxes cut and seeing the top 5% pay a disproportionate amount of the taxes, (like almost all of it) it would only make sense that, yes it's a tax cut for the rich.

Duh!

As for Republican talking points where have you seen what I suggested before? Put up or shut the hell up Bim. No talking points here just My conservative agenda.

"And if those were workable alternatives why haven't they been sucessfully implemented under Republican rule in the las 50 years or so?"

Because there's a difference between a conservative and a Republican. Or didn't you read the fine print in my last post.

You've been away for awhile... You've come back sounding as ignorant as you are black in Miami.

Stop assuming you know what Jerome was asking. It makes you look like an ass.

BlackinMiami

"Because there's a difference between a conservative and a Republican."

Oh is there?

I couldn't tell from the fact that they are Republicans and then they are conservatives, they are mavericks and then they are not. Was it a Republican or a Conservative you begged to take it to Obama in the 08' presidential campaign?

School me please Jt. let not my ignorance, as well as my blackness stand in your way; enlighten me please.

And While you are at it, provide me a list of who are the goats and who are the sheep. They seem kinda one and the same to me. Conservatives at Election time and once elected conservatism suddenly dissipates.

Wasn't GW a social and fiscal conservative?

And by the way, why did it take 46 years after the Goldwater fiasco for you so called conservatives to rise up again? And at such an opportune time, when the country has a Black 'socialist' in the White House. Where were they in the previous 8 years when their conservative brand was being dragged through the mud?

If history is anything to go by, I am thinking this new breed will go down as well as Goldwater's did.

Hear that rumble? It's your god Ronald Reagan rolling over in his grave.

derek

There are republicans that aren't conservative, but if you're a conservative, you're nothing but a republican puppet. We only need to look at the way conservative media treated Bush Jr. and Mccain to understand that point.

Just faced it, conservatism is simply not a set of governing ideas. It's a posture, an attitude. Nothing more. Facts, reality, right or wrong... these aren't the things that define the ideology. The only way to understand the american right is to realize that. They are driven by the south's inferiority complex, nixonian resentment, etc. Nothing more.

James T.

Oh look! The gang is all here!

Cookers

BIM,

At least get your facts straight.

You stated:

"The largest expansion of government have come under Republicans with nothing to show for it. At least Liberal programs are still around and still benefiting those same thugs who fough vehemently against them under FDR and LBJ."

The top 1% of tax payers pay more than the bottom 95% combined. As James points out above, we have now reached the point where HALF, 50% of all tax payers do not pay any federal taxes.

It is the programs of FDR and LBJ, Democrats of all Democrats both, that account for that massive expansion of government and the massive redistribution of wealth.

Derek, your ignorance of conservatism is laughable. In fact, everything that you stated is actually more true of liberal democrats and socialists, like yourself. They live in a dream world of make believe where there is no right or wrong and facts are just inconvenient ideas that get in the way of passing legislation that will complete the bankrupting of the American people started by FDR and LBJ. Dude, just crawl back in your hole. You have lost your mojo now that you are a work-a-day man.

Cookers

Jerome, I am reading Mark Levine's book, "Liberty and Tyranny." I would recommend it highly if you are truly interested in what the conservative mindset is. Our founding fathers had no intention that the FEDERAL government would grow to be as powerful and as far reaching as it has become.

The goal for all is to develop self sufficiency and self dependency. That takes hard work and sacrifice and moral character. A true free market where government establishes rules that emphasize a level playing field for all to pursue their God given dreams and talents in order to participate in supporting our society and moving it forward. The FEDERAL government has so corrupted that concept that it is getting tougher and tougher to actually detect a free market in the US.

It is not perfect but the founders understood that and put the three branches in place to try and provide some level of mutual accountability, realalizing that man is sinful and prone to trying to lord over those that he is able.

A true republic is the best form of government but ours has been so bastardized into a system that is more resembling socialist Europe, it is no wonder we are in the state that we are. Supporting more of the same failed big government policies that have brought us to this place will plunge us further down the cliff toward the failures we are now witnessing in Europe.

A simple child can understand that we cannot continue to extract/confiscate the levels of money from the working public and not expect there to be a significant contraction in the generation of jobs.

From Churchill, "Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

Cookers out.

derek

" As James points out above, we have now reached the point where HALF, 50% of all tax payers do not pay any federal taxes."

Yet amazingly enough the Taxed Enough Already party has traction in mainstream media.

But yea

Congratulations conservatives, you managed to create a society of crying babies that in addition to taking handouts don't even want to pay for them.

" They live in a dream world of make believe where there is no right or wrong and facts are just inconvenient ideas that get in the way of passing legislation that will complete the bankrupting of the American people started by FDR and LBJ."

FDR's track record created a superpower. LBJ brought civil rights to a large group of people and reduced poverty dramatically. The same programs you complain about have a strong legacy.

What has the conservative revolution ended in? Seriously... the past 20 years got us what? Flat wages (you want to know why the rich end up paying more and more in taxes? because they are the only ones with increasing incomes), less benefits, decreased american power?

derek

" Our founding fathers had no intention that the FEDERAL government would grow to be as powerful and as far reaching as it has become."

Depends on what founding father you read.

You stick with mark levin, i'll stick with what the founding father's actually wrote. It's not like they wrote in another language or something. I don't need a filter.

Cookers

FDR's efforts prolonged the Great Depression as acknowledge by more and more economists.

And the super power was created by the hard working people of the US. FDR just happen to be the guy in office when the war happened. All of those government contractors that converted their factories into the war machine get the credit.

The programs may have had some initial positive effects on poverty. But they are never what the founders intended and it is their legacy that will eventually bankrupt this country. There is no denying that fact.

Their underlying philosophy has long term, negative ramifications for our country.

And Levin quotes liberally from the Federalist Papers and the Constitution. I will gladly side with those that recognized the folly of an expanding, powerful, intrusive federal government that was not meant to extract hard earned wages to pass them along to those that have not earned them.

Jerome

Cookers, you posted an interesting quote: "Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
So, going back to the moderator's point,
Where do African Americans fit in this quote? Where do you fit?

Cookers

Jerome, In reviewing your three posts, I hope I understand what you are asking in your questions.

The two periods that I would point to that Republicans had either the presidency or control of congress and that conservative principles were employed would be the Reagan presidency of the 80’s and Contract with America era during the Clinton administration.

I prefer to point to the enactment of conservative principles as opposed to Republican principles as there is a significant number of Rep. who have more in common with the liberal view of government that a conservative view.

The prosperity of the 80’s are generally recognized as one of the greatest eras of prosperity that our country has seen. Reagan’s policies of supply side /trickle down economics are pointed to as the cause. The 1997 tax cut from the Republican congress led to an improvement in the economy as discussed in this article.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2008/03/Tax-Cuts-Not-the-Clinton-Tax-Hike-Produced-the-1990s-Boom

The economy, as exercised through a free market, has the potential to produce prosperity. If administered fairly through laws to provide an equal playing field, all have the opportunity to better themselves and exercise their God given talent and abilities. Different abilities and talents will lead to different levels of blessings. It is a good thing for a man to be able to work hard and earn a living to support his family. There is a mental and spiritual benefit to this. That is the benefit to the community of Americans of African descent. My conservative view of government is to work toward a minimal Federal gov that does not confiscate wealth and redistribute it. Free hand outs may be necessary for a time for people to get back on their feet, but hard work is good for a person’s self confidence and benefits society as a whole. And a significantly more conservative monetary policy is also in order. Any person who has had to handle money should know that spending/distributing more that you take in will ultimately lead to disaster at some point. The American economy is approaching that tipping point.

The Liberal Democrat is more interested in an equal outcome rather than an equal opportunity. This penalizes the hard work of those that do work and rewards the lack of work for those that are given something for nothing. This cannot continue forever as eventually, the have nots will outnumber the haves and there will no longer be the resources to sustain this. Remember, taking this money out of the hands of the “haves” prevents it from being used to invest and start business and buy the things that numerous other small businesses and entrepreneurs produce. The unadulterated reality is that the money in the hands of the rich fund the engine of our economy. Confiscating it, filtering it through the hands of government and redistributing it as the gov sees fit chokes off the engine.

America has had some dark periods of history with respect to Americans of African descent and I am not so naïve to think that racism has completely disappeared. But where else in the world does a people have the freedom and opportunity as they do in the US? Sadly, as the size and reach of our government grows, all, especially those at the lowers ends of the spectrum, will see their opportunities reduced and their freedom wane.

Returning America to prominence and prosperity is a long path. I am convinced that conservative principles of a free market, limited government interference via regulation and taxes, and a moral, independent, hard working people can make it happen. Class envy will lead us to a sharing of miseries rather than the other path which can lead to increased blessings for all, unequal though they be.

derek

"The prosperity of the 80’s are generally recognized as one of the greatest eras of prosperity that our country has seen. "


post world war 2... and as long as we pretend the 90's didn't exist.

James T.

!990's Bill Clinton - Alan Greenspan - Ann Rand.

Hummmmm...

derek

2000's alan greenspan- ayn rand comes crashing down

James T.

Under the weight of gov. intervention.

Democrats!

sheepdog

"The prosperity of the 80’s are generally recognized as one of the greatest eras of prosperity that our country has seen. "

HAH!.....if you believe that, you can grover my norquist!

Giant

And to think, some Black People say you don't care.

Steve

The 10 worst large cities in this country are run by democrats. The schools in these cities are the worst and black children suffer. If I am a black parent in the Milwaukee schools sytem I would be outraged at the MPS and the teachers union. Inner city kids can't read at an acceptable level. The history of black people in the United states is not pretty, but it sure won't get better under the Democrats and their new plantation of control.

TH

You who wrote this post are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome, as well as a large dose of dishonesty and selective remembering of history. How much did the Republicans and the Tea Party pay you to writhe this?

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