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August 04, 2010


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Time for Mrs. Pelosi to have another meeting with church leaders, but sadly, it probably won't do any good -- again.

Here are the accounts of Mrs. Pelosi's meeting with the Pope:

From the Vatican (via Reuters): http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LI583740.htm

From Speaker Pelosi's office: http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1015

And from NRO (just for fun): http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/177532/speaker-rome/nro-staff

We are not to use the Bible to achieve our own ends, nor can we trot it out when it is convenient.

Maddie - Saukville

Frank, I can't really say it any better.

So, leave religion out of the equation and ask the Speaker: You believe that a baby isn't really a baby until the mother decides whether or not she wants it, that she has a legal right to kill that life until such time as she decides this and that this is her fundamental right and a perfectly acceptable practice but humanely executing someone like a Steven Avery who deserves to have done to him all that he did to his victims is wrong and anyone who believes in capital punishment simply doesn't have the same respect for life as you or the woman who decides to terminate her pregnancy, is that correct?

I like your comments as well hsgbdmama, not only does she trot it out when convenient but she hides behind it at the same time. Are we not supposed to carry The Word? Why is it inappropriate to comment in public on an ideal one allegedly holds dear when in The Lord's House?

I'll just add one of my all-time favorite movie quotes, "Sometimes thems what quote the Bible have less of the good book in them than thems what don't." Captain L. J. Silver


There were no vacuums before the common era. Abdominal binding, or natural abortifacients such as wild carrot, rue or birthwort would more likely be used to abort the virgin's fetus had Mary so chosen. However, a bit later there is evidence of early Christian surgical techniques utilizing a "copper needle or spike" or a "blunted or covered hook" which are not too unlike the Modern D&E.


spicy, what's your point?

Maddie - Saukville

Google cranioplast and you can look at all the various devices for killing the baby, my old German granny would say however you slice it, it's still baloney. So yeah, jimspice, what is your point? I assume you state Christian to imply something, could you be more specific? Which Pope blessed which device would be appreciated.


Yes spicy... explain.

Maddie, my Polish Busia, a devout Catholic believed about the same. Those who used such devices would surely find their way to h#ll. Of course, in those days the Catholic schools preached h#ll.


I was just pointing out a factual error. My first sentence is fairly straight forward, the rest just exposition, really. For clarification, while the concept of matterless space had floated around before the time of Christ, it was largely discounted by the major thinkers. And the first practical device to create a partial vacuum would not come along 'til the 1500s with the invention of the 6-cylinder suction pump by Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf, a Muslim. So the fetus Jesus could not have been "vacuumed" out.

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