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July 20, 2009

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Derek

Hawaii doesn't release birth certificates, they release certificates of live birth, something that obama HAS released.

Not only that but the state health department of hawaii has already verified that Obama was born in Hawaii. But then again, if you guys cared about facts, YOU WOULDN'T BE YOU. So I don't expect much else. I kind of like the birther angle because it exposes the just how stupid conservatives can be.

As for Major Cook, he volunteered for deployment. It was always his choice whether or not to be deployed in the first place. If he wasn't a volunteer, he'd be in jail right now. The military doesn't take kindly to cowardice or stupidity.

Derek

Although the idiot did lose his security clearance behind this (which caused him to lose his real job also) so that's sort of funny.

maddypie2

I have been following this for quite some time. I was stunned when that solider had his orders revoked. Almost every day I get updated news articles from WND and it seems they are making some head way.
I encourage eveyone to call the office of Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner
(1-262-784-1111.)
He sits on the Constitutional Committee. We have to get him to settle this once and for all. Then he can start working on gov. buying private business's and all of the thuggery bo uses to get people to vote his way.
bo needs to be impeached and removed from office.
I will absolutely help him and michey pack and escort them off the premise. I've been practicing punting a football in the park.
Yeah, I'll send them flying back under to the rock they crawled out from.

Derek

Headway? The lawsuit got thrown out. Although equating losing with progress explains the current state of the conservative movement.

It's a prime example of just how stupid these lawyers are though. They FINALLY managed to figure out a way to get standing (refuse an executive order on the grounds that the person issuing the order isn't constitutionally elgible) but were too stupid to realize that following the order was voluntary (which meant the plaintiff could seek their own remedy.)

And this is the people you place your faith in.

maddypie2

Taken from WND article on July 15, 2009

"Earlier today, Quon said Cook submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8, 2009 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan with Special Operations Command, U.S. Army Central Command, beginning July 15, 2009. The soldier's orders were issued on June 9, Quon said.
A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," Quon said.
She added that there is an administrative process to request revocation of orders. As of this afternoon, Cook had not asked for his orders to be revoked, Quon said. She could not say why the soldier's orders were pulled today by 3 p.m. CDT."

He certainly accomplished his mission to bring another suit against bo.

"The "Certification of Live Birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny."

Rule #6 for acorn nuts
"only give out information that appears to prove your point."

Some people are so thick headed and have no ability to read between the lines.
Oh well pity the fools, it seems they just can't get it.

Derek

Obtaining a "short form" document that STATES YOU WERE BORN IN HAWAII isn't easily obtainable unless you were BORN IN HAWAII. The state doesn't just print false information. Not only that but since hawaii doesn't give out "long form" birth certificates in the first place, (if you requested your birth certificate from hawaii, you would get exactly what Obama got) the point is simply stupid (and works on stupid people). What hawaii gives out (the COLB) is what hawaii accepts. Period.

But then again, I'm surprised half of you are capable of reading. Perhaps expecting critical thinking is too much of a stretch. I'll remember to take baby steps with you people.

hsgbdmama

"I'll remember to take baby steps with you people."

Our Tolerant, Compassionate Liberal Update, 07/20/09.

Danny Inferno

LOL -- IT'S ALL OVER WHEN SOMEONE BREAKS *BIRTHER*

Derek

You want compassion, go watch Glenn Beck cry like a little girl.

Cookers

Derek, I do not believe that you are an expert on the information required for the Hawaiian short form Live Birth document.

I have read elsewhere that you need not have been born in Hawaii to have a short form Live Birth document issued. Hawaii's Dept of Health web site says the same.

Therefore, what BHO has produced really proves nothing. Besides, he claims to have found his birth certificate in his book so why not produce it and make it all go away? That goes for all of his records.

And isn't it interesting that a Congressional hearing was held for John McCain to confirm his American Citizenship prior to the election but none for BHO.

I think it would be great theater if we had a Constitutional crisis if BHO is shown to not be a citizen.

hsgbdmama

"I think it would be great theater if we had a Constitutional crisis if BHO is shown to not be a citizen."

Agreed -- we'd all get a good lesson on the Constitution and why it still matters today.

Derek

Isn't it interesting that you're talking out of your ass? For the life of me I'll never understand why people completely make up things about what Mccain had to go through. If you don't know then just admit you don't know. Don't make dumbass assumptions.

As for everything else

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/breaking/33670554.html

"State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii."

"Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate."

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

"No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said."

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam

"“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”"

Anyone else want to try their hand at this? Preferably people that know what they are talking about?

The constitution... you know what the constitution says? Only congress can impeach the pres and the states (see: tenth amendment)/electors (see: electoral college) are the line of defense for deciding people not qualified to be president. THAT is your constitutional lesson for today.

Derek

*for deciding people not qualified to be elected president

James T.

Derek,
Welcome back. Where's Obama's birth certificate? Just asking?

Derek

What do you want him to do? Mail it to you so you can pass it around like a retarded ass chain letter for conservative pundits?

Derek

I mean this is what happened:
Obama released his certificate of live birth.

What does Hawaii say about that?

"The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii"

All the bitchin in the world doesn't change reality.

maddypie2

"Obtaining a "short form" document that STATES YOU WERE BORN IN HAWAII isn't easily obtainable unless you were BORN IN HAWAII. The state doesn't just print false information. Not only that but since hawaii doesn't give out "long form" birth"
certificates in the first place, (if you requested your birth certificate from hawaii, you would get exactly what Obama got) the point is simply stupid (and works on stupid people). What hawaii gives out (the COLB) is what hawaii accepts. Period."

The above is all a complete lie.

Brought to you from the
Biggest Liar on this Site.

Derek

Maybe I was too generous by implying you guys were literate. Obviously maddypie isn't.

Diana

Eighteen posts here and ten of them are from Derek. Come on James, I know conversation is the spice of life, but this has gone too far. Throw us a bone here.

Joyce

If there is nothing to hide, WHY was the soldier's orders revoked?

Here's the real one Derek:
http://papundits.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/birthcertificate.jpg

Derek

"If there is nothing to hide, WHY was the soldier's orders revoked?"

Because the dumbass lost his security clearance by making a lawsuit. And the orders were always voluntary in the first place.

As for Diana, quit bitchin

Joyce

There's a questionable statement: "And the orders were always voluntary in the first place." Since when does the military issue "voluntary" deployment orders?

And the loss was his job... from a company that has a defense contract. I thought you could read???

The BC question certainly has Derek in a tizzy... is he fearful speculation may be true? His comments are lengthy and unrelenting on this topic.

Derek

"Since when does the military issue "voluntary" deployment orders?"

Since the guy volunteered for deployment. Like i said, full time soldiers get thrown in jail for things like this. He's lucky he's just a reservist. That's not a job to play around with.

"And the loss was his job... from a company that has a defense contract. I thought you could read?"

He needed his security clearance for his job (which is why he lost the job). Either way the clearance is granted by the department of defense. If it's revoked then it's revoked. He doesn't have it for his military job nor for his civilian job.

Dude's a dumbass. His lawyers are bigger dumbasses for talking him into this.

Cookers

Welcome back, young comarade Derek. You are as big a jack as you were when we last heard from you. Appreciate the consistency.

As for McCain,

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/senate-deals-with-mccains-citizenship/

It seems that since Senator McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father was on active duty, there was a question as to his "natural born" status. Congress had to resolve that technical issue but the final resolution was not in the article. Just so you know that I am not "making things up." Dude, you should know me better by now!

Besides, that is your job.

As for your other links, I actually took the time to read them. And not just read them, but to put them into context regarding this story.

The first link simply identifies the only two people who claim to have observed the original birth certificate (BC). Please remember this was 1961, before computers, and the BC was likely typed on a piece of paper. Not like the computer generated version that is being trotted out.

And below is a statement from the good Dr. Fukina, one of the two, along with some very pertient questions:

http://michaelpatrickleahy.blogspot.com/2008/11/official-statement-of-dr-chiyome-fukino.html

No official statement regarding the actual contents of the BC, just that he saw it. Interesting what was not said.

BHO has the authority to direct these folks to produce a copy of this original BC for scrutiny if he desired.

About all you learn from the second article is that the Hawaiian system went paperless in 2001 and that BHO's BC was converted into an electronic file. The information now issued is all that is legally required.

So BHO is correct, what he is trotting out is the actual BC that Hawaii now issues based on their electronic system.

But.....

Cookers

Why won't he simply allow the original BC to be redacted and distributed?

This is a story that a lot of people in the general public are aware of and it is one of those polical stories that has the potential to take on a life of its own as it might be starting to do.

Politically, he would be much better served to trot out the real, original BC and try and put this to rest. If not, whether this is a real issue or not, it could be one of those nagging things that haunts him for his presidency.

Personally, I hope he was born in Kenya, that he was adopted by an American woman who is not even his real mom so that this gets played out to the max.

According to Jefferson, we are over-due for some Constitutional high jinx.

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