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    July 07, 2009

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    Derek

    Well, it's unconstitutional and illegal to keep them locked up indefinitely. (i find the cavalier attitude towards rule of law among conservatives with regard to national security somewhat distressing)

    Some of them are innocent but no one wants them in their countries (like the guys that eventually got sent to Bermuda). Obviously it's immoral to keep those people detained.

    Ignoring the mess created by some of the more short sighted among us doesn't make the mess go away.

    j

    You're wrong on your first point... it is unconstitutional to keep US citizens locked up indefinitely. The GITMO detainees aren't US citizens, and GITMO isn't native soil.

    But you are right on your last point... the short-sightedness of the Obama administration and their declaration to free GITMO detainees without any plans or real-world knowledge of the potential repercussions in doing so is not making the mess go away.

    1 out of 2 isn't bad...

    Derek

    "You're wrong on your first point... it is unconstitutional to keep US citizens locked up indefinitely. The GITMO detainees aren't US citizens, and GITMO isn't native soil. "

    We are party to international treaties such as the Geneva conventions that have the force of federal law (plus it's not like the US citizen part didn't stop us from attempting to lock US citizens up without trial, see: jose padilla). This complicates things a bit.

    As for your last point. Yes, it's the obama admins fault that we have to keep innocent people in prison forever. Perfect logic.

    LegioNofZioN

    This is pandoras box and it has been opened. Regardless of international and US law I don't like the idea of indefinite detention without trial. Like I said on a previous post, this is an area I give Obama a pass on because there is no right answer, all options have negative potential consequences. I don't really think most people in Guantanamo are really innocent as in "wrong place wrong time" but you do need some proof ethically to detain a person for any extended period of time. I think Russia should convert some of their Siberian prisons into communities the US can ship them to.

    hsgbdmama

    "Obviously it's immoral to keep those people detained."

    Obviously it's immoral to release those people back to their previous lives, where they can pick right back up where they left off.

    ITA Legion, this is a pandora's box and there will be no neat and tidy way to fix this. :-/

    Derek

    "Obviously it's immoral to release those people back to their previous lives, where they can pick right back up where they left off."

    something like 2/3's of guantanamo inmates have been released in the past few years. With the vast majority of them doing just that. Turns out their previous lives didn't involve terrorism in the first place.

    What is it... something like 90 percent of the cases of with inmates asking for habeas corpus has gone against the government?

    It's not a "box" that was opened. It's years of a policy that created consequences that can't be pushed aside.

    TerryN

    Yes, a policy to protect Americans and American interests.

    Seems like that's a bad ting to do these days.

    Derek

    it's an illegal policy that people like petraeus are against.

    TerryN

    Funny how it's legal to release the prisoners and let them go back to the battlefield and kill innocent people.

    Ah, but then it's legal to kill the ex-prisoners on the battlefield. I get it now...

    Sail'nTodd

    You liberals, like that guy Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, are more concerned with things like Gitmo, than they are about the CURRENT state of affairs!!

    It's OK to run our country in the ground, devalue the dollar, put us in so much national debt, it's not sustainable, and make us another European Socialist country, with virtually zero gross national product.

    As long as someone is put in jail for Gitmo!!, All while they take personal jets, limos, etc. It's all you libs think about!

    How in you know who's name, can you ge against capital punishment, and be for killing innocent unborn fetuses?

    Reminds me of a bumper sticker I like, that someone in Oklahoma was even arrested for:
    'Abort Obama, not unborn children'

    maddypie2

    Sail'nTodd
    LOL on Mad-Cow, I almost spit out my coffee.

    And a big "YES" on

    ABORT OBAMA NOT
    UNBORN CHILDREN.

    Sail'nTodd

    Thanks maddy

    Lauren

    "They" say waterboarding is torture. But "they" never say what these animals do is torture!

    Lauren

    The Bush administration was the one that followed the law by starting the process of providing trials for the detanees. Obama's came in in the first 2 weeks and put a complete halt to this. He is the one not giving the full rights to these animals in GITMO and not following international law. SCREW YOU Derek. You are half-assed and do not know international law at all. You can stop with your wikifying posts and maybe actually study with professionals and then come back and quote law to us.

    maddypie2

    Unfortunately rule #4
    in the acorn manual prohibits its members from
    "actually studying."
    They are not allowed to be
    "professional or to inter act with "professionals."
    They only "quotes" they are allowed to use are the made up lies they fill their posts with.

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