Where is Obama???

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[maddypie2]

Where is Obama???

Standing between bill and
rham with their fingers
in the dike.

gibby and michelle
are on stand by.

[diane]

Obama is any place but the White House. When it comes to making real decisions he is AWOL, he cannot even answer "present". He has been gone from the WH more often than any President in history. I do not remember the last time I have seen a President so afraid to stand up to a dictator.

[Derek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meugtwz6r0E

Sorry if i don't think your opinions trump Henry Kissinger.

Get a clue.

[Derek]

I mean let's be serious. Do you plan on dying for these people? Do you want to send your sons off to war to go die for these people?

Then stop talking about "support" that you're never going to act on. It's pompous and divorced from reality.

You think the Georgians care how much "support" mccain gave them? "Yeah, sorry you got invaded, but here's a heartfelt letter of support."

[James T.]

Derek is right. Obama isn't going to do a damn thing, so he shouldn't say a damn thing.

Derek and I finally agree. Obama is an empty suit.

[maddypie2]

It sounds like the chimp is now snoozing and
manifesto boy is back at the key board.

DO BETTER
ANSWER THE QUESTION

Where is Obama???

[Derek]

I mean let's be serious what we're talking about. You're crying because obama isn't grandstanding... because he isn't using enough rhetoric. Your idea of showing up, talking. I mean that's your job so maybe that's why you feel the way you do, but that's not the way things work in the real world. Those of us that do live in the real world can't rely on rhetoric that doesn't come with action.

We condemn iran, they do what they want... Then what? You shut up and go back to covering whatever stupid thing is going on in conservative media? (surprised you haven't brought up the CBO score on the the healthcare plan, must not be at the top of drudge's website). Meanwhile your conscience is clear because you got to say something without having to back it up.

The thing is, the people that used to run this country actually think in this childish way. Like rhetoric makes us look good instead of looking like fools. Who looked like a fool when Bush came out talking about Putin's actions in Georgia? It wasn't Bush. Because Putin knew damn well Bush wasn't going to do anything about the situation.

This is the same thing. The protestors are on their own. No matter how many dumbass speeches you want Obama to give, that is the case, because a speech isn't support. Go work for the UN if you want to hear strongly worded letters of condemnation. But bleeding heart conservatism? that's not a good look. It's about as smart as compassionate conservatism. And look where the hell that got you guys.

[LegioNofZioN]

wow Derek, I will agree to what you said with a small asterisk. Rehtoric without action is useless, just ask the gays upset with Obama about that one. Unfortunately the people of Iran are on their own. My friend just heard from her Nephew who was released from Iranian prison after he participated in the first day of protests. The Iranians make you Americans and your Abu Gharib and Guantanamo Bay look like amateurs. they beat this kid within a yard of his life. broke both his legs, broke one arm, he has tazer burns and cigarette burns all over his back. and he was only in prison for a few days. the officials are not allowing family members confirmation of who they have arrested or who has been killed. the families in Iran are in a state of clear terror from their own government. the soldiers and police are threatened that if they don't beat the crowd or kill a few protesters then they are their families will be held to account. do you see the base corruption that runs this supposed Islamic Republic of Iran ? the Iranian regime regardless of Achmadinejad or Mousavi is a corrupt regime who don't deserve to retain power. No one internationally is going to help them out at this point, regardless of rhetoric. the people protesting aren't protesting for Mousavi as much as they are protesting for their freedom, and the government will never allow that to happen.

the most any of us can do is to pray for them. Pray that those protesting give their lives for real change and not for more of the same bull$#it. Truly, right now, only God can save them.

[Gracie]

Derek: People have sent sons (and daughters)off to war to die for other people and/or freedom. Is this what you want in Iran? You seem highly critical of war but now you're also critical of "rhetoric" or support. Forgive me for not being as smart or as knowledgeable about this topic as you, but I am truly confused about what you're looking for here.

[Derek]

Is it really that hard for people to swallow the idea that we don't have to do anything except wait? Is america really this self absorbed?

[diane]

Wait for what?
another 9-11?

[Derek]

"Wait for what?
another 9-11?"

What the hell are you babbling about?

[maddypie2]

Gracie and Diane, you will never get an answer out of
manifesto boy.

bo is waiting to see which
way the wind blows and
of course what ever rahm
says his next move should
be.

[Derek]

"the most any of us can do is to pray for them. Pray that those protesting give their lives for real change and not for more of the same bull$#it. Truly, right now, only God can save them. "

Tomorrow (well late tonight EST) is going to be a trying day. Khameini's been issuing ultimatums the entire time and not doing anything about it. But all bets are off after what happened today. There is no resolution to be had to this, someone has to fall. Might see the revolutionary guard actually brought in and martial law tomorrow. Or Khameini might be bluffing and he doesn't actually have the support of the revolutionary guard. Either way, tomorrow is important.

[LegioNofZioN]

I support the people of Iran just not their government. That is my position, I pray for them, and I hope they can overthrow the regime currently in power. Though religious I hope for a secular revolution, so that some measure of equality can be instated in Iran.

[LegioNofZioN]

Iran has Christians but no where near a majority and the Zorastrians have been marginalized since the 79 Islamic revolution. In this case, a secular movement is needed.

[Derek]

they also have 20,000 jews.

[Patrick Austin]

The House voted 405-1 today for a resolution in support of the Iranian dissidents and condemning the ruling government. And the one man who opposed it was...Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).

Paul said in his floor speech that he was in "reluctant opposition" to the resolution -- that he of course condemns violence by governments against their citizens. On the other hand, he also doesn't think the American government should act as a judge of every country overseas, and pointed out that we don't condemn countries like Saudi Arabia or Egypt that don't even have real elections.

"It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made," Paul said. "I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly."

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Jaye]

The world definately has not become a better place since Obama has become President. Where is all this Hope and Change we were promised? It looks like Iran and North Korea are pushing their agenda because they know Obama will do nothing.

Derek & Patrick thinks it is a sign of strength, I think the World see it as a sign of weekness.

[Derek]

I hate to break it to you but Iran started it's nuke program under bush and NK did there first test under bush.

You guys have to join the rest of us in reality sometime. Because the fact is your side never actually had any real solutions to any problems. Bin Laden is still running around, we're still in iraq, still in afghanistan, NK and Iran i've already mention. I could give a damn about weakness. Maybe if you people cared less about what you think is and isn't weak and more about how to get things done we wouldn't ahve to clean up after your messes.

If Khameini's regime falls in Iran, Obama will have accomplished more in the middle east in 6 months with two speeches (people forget about Obama's speech for the iranian new year) than Bush did over 8 years with two wars. LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES.

Sign of weakness... peddle that BS to someone that doesn't know your failures.

[Gracie]

Derek:
In your haste to categorize me a self-absorbed american, you misunderstood. I'm all for waiting...
It was you I didn't understand. I only asked for clarification.

[Patrick Austin]

I don't think some of you are looking at the "what if..." scenarios.

What if Obama gets 100% behind the uprising publicly?

Ahmadinejad and Khamenei will spin it as the "Great Satan" seeking to destabilize the government and once again try to impose it's will in the middle east. There goes any leverage or good will (as small as it is) to get some kind of agreement about their nuclear operation. They will go into full "we need to protect ourselves" mode and tensions will be ratcheted up a notch. They could put any weapons program they do have on the fast track.

Make no mistake, I would like to see the current Iranian government fall, and I support the demonstrators, but they have to make it a certain distance first. Past critical mass.

If they are in the streets again in a major way after what Khamenei said today, then we are getting very near that critical mass.

Have any of you heard of the story about a bystander trying to break up a fight between a husband and wife? The husband and wife gets upset about the bystander getting in their business and they both proceed to fight him together.

[Patrick Austin]

@ Jaye....

We are seeing progress with North Korea (however small) under Obama. Bush would talk tough and say they need to come back to the negotiating table. The end.

Obama has said that the NK blackmail must stop and we won't allow them to break agreements only to grab further concessions from us. We got the Navy shadowing a cargo ship that left NK with the threat of being boarded. We finally got China and Russia on board in the U.N. to rebuke NK.

This is all progress.

NK is having all these test launches because they are not getting their way from Obama. They are literally throwing a temper tantrum. And some of you are upset because Obama won't give them a pacifier.

Would you prefer it if we went back to the previous way of talking tough and urging them to come back to the table?

An angry child will kick and scream. In the short term, it won't be pretty, but in the long term, the child will learn that kicking and screaming won't get him what he wants.

And if not, then a spanking is delivered.

[Derek]

"In your haste to categorize me a self-absorbed american, you misunderstood. I'm all for waiting...
It was you I didn't understand. I only asked for clarification."

No haste. You presented a false choice and the explanation of the reason people present just these two choices is american narcissism. The fact that we have to frame the iranian uprising in terms of what WE (as americans) must do, is very self absorbed. The fact that the idea that we could just wait and see what happens doesn't occur to some people just exposes this. (also the fact that no one even thinks of the consequences on the iranian people that rhetorical support could give is another example of our self absorption)

There is going to be a lot more people dead by the end of today than died all week.

Now what? We put out another senate resolution? If we were mad before, surely we must be boiling mad now. Where does this all stop and where does this all lead to? That's the corner we paint ourselves into by subsisting solely on knee jerk reaction.

[Derek]

And what's up with James T's BS twitter feed. As far as i can see, James T hasn't supported anyone in Iran either. I don't see any tweets to #iranelection or #gr88

Is it so hard that you people live what you preach?