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    June 11, 2009

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    Derek

    Israel showed they don't know what they were doing when they lost a war to hezbollah, got Hamas elected and pursued a war in Gaza that did nothing more than cause an international outcry and provide cover for Hamas to execute members of the other party.

    The idea that we should listen to them is about as crazy as the idea that we should listen to the Bush admin on foreign policy.

    Derek

    I mean anti israel? Is it too much to ask that you guys actually engage policy rather then rhetoric for once? We are THIS CLOSE to deposing Ahmadenijad in Iran, already managed to stop Hezbollah from taking power in Lebanon and you guys seriously want to whine about Israel's feelings.

    Come on.

    James Pawlak

    Are we really sure that Obama is not a secret Muslim; What was called a "sleeper agent" at one time?

    Derek

    Aren't you late to a militia meeting.

    Frank Unraveled

    OH NO -- THERE'S A RUN ON HAT GRADE TINFOIL

    Maddie - Saukville

    As I predicted when he threw 'the good Reverend' under the bus, just wait until a couple months after he's sworn in and you'll start to see Jeremiah and Bo back together again.

    No one sits in a pew for twenty years with a man who spews such hatred and never catches a whiff of it. No one walks away from a relationship as close as theirs after twenty years and the parties never seen together again.

    I called bullshit way back when. Vindication is mine!

    Jeremiah Wright will marry the Obama daughters. Mark my words.

    Maddie - Saukville

    Marry them off I mean.

    Right before William Ayers bombs any college that doesn't accept their applications.

    Derek

    "We are THIS CLOSE to deposing Ahmadenijad in Iran, already managed to stop Hezbollah from taking power in Lebanon and you guys seriously want to whine about Israel's feelings.

    Come on."

    Quoting myself there...

    Well I was wrong, it isn't just Ahmadinijad they are trying to depose, it's the whole system.

    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/06/iran_there_will/

    "My contact predicted serious violence at the highest levels. He said that Ahmadinejad is now genuinely scared of Iranian society and of Mousavi and Rafsanjani. The level of tension between them has gone beyond civil limits -- and my contact said that Ahmadinejad will try to have them imprisoned and killed.

    Likewise, he said, Rafsanjani, Khatami, and Mousavi know this -- and thus are using all of the instruments at their control within Iran's government apparatus to fight back -- but given Khamenei's embrace of Ahmadinejad's actions in the election and victory, there is no recourse but to try and remove Khamenei. Some suggest that Rafsanjani will count votes to see if there is a way to formally dislodge Khamenei -- but this source I met said that all of these political giants have resources at their disposal to "do away with" those that get in the way.

    He predicted that the so-called reformist camp -- who are not exactly humanists in the Western liberal sense -- may try and animate efforts to decapitate the regime and "do away with" Ahmadinejad and even the Supreme Leader himself."

    big things going on in the world. you wouldn't know it if you watched CNN or Fox News. But I've been following this all night.
    Great link:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html

    You know, if it's one thing you conservatives might have right about liberals (or maybe it's just me), it's the romanticization of and emotional connection with revolution. Don't own any Che shirts, but I love these pictures:

    http://tehranlive.org/2009/06/13/iranians-protest-election-results/

    The first picture in this one is great:

    http://tehranlive.org/2009/06/14/iranian-protest-election-results-2/

    So many bigger things in this world to talk about than the bullshit of this thread or palin and letterman.

    maddypie2

    "So many bigger things in this world to talk about than the bullshit of this thread or palin and letterman."

    Who is forcing you or should I say paying you to engage in the above
    "bullshit"

    You have literaly been freaking out all night by what is going on in iran.

    Are you an iranian too?
    Because you have delusional ideas that you are all things to all people.

    What a joke and fraud you are, I mean a big LOL to you. You have earned it.

    You are worried about iran
    not north korea who could start a world war.

    You are worried about iran
    not My Country(you know the one you presumably live in)that is being taken down the same path as iran.

    You are insane!

    When the civil unrest and violence strikes back at this admin. you won't have to flip your TV stations or run to the web and your favorite biased sites.

    No you lunatic all you will have to do is open your front door to catch what is going on in the
    news!

    Take your meds, go to bed,
    seek help for your multiple personality disorder or better yet.
    Just go away

    Derek

    Are you so narcissistic to think that what happens in Iran has no bearing on us? Iran's nuke program? Their support of Hezbollah? Their influence in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Seriously? I mean it's no wonder that you people can't get anything right.

    Derek

    I mean let's break it down. Obviously their nuke program and Ahmadinijad's rhetoric make war with israel and iran likely.

    Their support of hezbollah oppresses lebanon and provides a base of support for terrorism against israel.

    Iran's influence in Iraq lessons our influence. And iran can be very helpful in dealing with the taliban (in fact they helped use at the beginning of the war).

    This could be the domino for middle east peace, who knows. Maybe it just ends up being the tipping point that weakens iran enough where they have to work with us.

    But to act like it isn't a big deal? That's just stupid. To act like it's not the biggest thing going on in the world right now? Just as stupid. Might as well have said "it's just the berlin wall, who cares"

    Derek

    One more thing, the NK thing. NK made a threat.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-would-use-nuclear-weapons-in-a-merciless-offensive-1700590.html

    "North Korea today said it would use nuclear weapons in a "merciless offensive" if provoked — its latest bellicose rhetoric apparently aimed at deterring any international punishment for its recent atomic test blast. "

    Security council called the bluff

    http://english.cctv.com/20090613/101362.shtml

    "This resolution condemns North Korea's nuclear test in the strongest terms. It strengthens and enhances sanctions on North Korea in five critically important areas.

    The measures include reducing financial ties and expanding an arms embargo against Pyongyang. The resolution also authorizes UN member states to inspect DPRK's sea, air, and land cargo carrying suspect material."

    NK can make all the threats they want. Kimmy isn't in a position of power. Especially not with China siding with the US and UK. And there's no way NK will make a move without being backed by China.

    The difference with iran is that there is no counter balance like that. The government of Iran's sole legitimacy seems to stem from opposition to Israel and America (which is what made bush's grandstanding so infuriating to me). The prospect of peaceful relations with America (cue dumbass whining about appeasement) pokes a gigantic hole in all of that. Which is why we see what we see now.

    maddypie2

    When mentally unbalanced people who have nuclear bombs get really pissed off
    you can not predict what they will do.

    The sanctions aren't going to be a threat to people who feel they finally wield the same power as others have.

    bo needs iran to follow his agenda.

    north korea is hell bent on telling bo to stick it where the sun don't shine.

    I don't really care which one you "feel" is more important.

    Nobody cares which one you think is more important.

    You do see the Right?


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